[personal profile] readoldthings
 The main focus of this blog is going to be Seneca's On Providence until I make my way through the whole thing. Every sentence is gold.

Flee luxury, flee enfeebling good fortune, from which men's minds grow sodden, and if nothing intervenes to remind them of the common lot, they sink, as it were, into the stupor of unending drunkenness. The man who has always had glazed windows to shield him from a drought, whose feet have been kept warm by hot applications renewed from time to time, whose dining- halls have been tempered by hot air passing beneath the floor and circulating round the walls, - this man will run great risk if he is brushed by a gentle breeze. While all excesses are hurtful, the most dangerous is unlimited good fortune.
 
I really think that this is the condition in which we find ourselves these days. Today on my Facebook account, a picture came up that I took on this day 3 years ago. I was living in California, and the largest wildfire in the state's history had just broken out. Over the next few months it would burn 280,000 acres. Then when the winter rains finally put it out, they caused a series of enormous mudslides which killed another 20 people in the hills near Santa Barbara. 

The debate then and now is-- Did this happen because of global warming or because we don't cut down enough trees? 

The answer, of course, depends upon whether you voted for Donald Trump or Joe Biden. 

Well, again, that was 3 years ago. Not that long, really. And now we're in the middle of a pandemic which has-- supposedly-- caused an excess of 200-300,000 American deaths. Whose fault is it, and what can be done about it? Again, the answer depends upon whether you voted for Donald Trump or Joe Biden.

Maybe we're all wrong, though. Maybe the Thomas Fire happened because these things happen. And the Coronavirus is happening because these things happen. 

Maybe the reason we're so shocked by it all, and so desperate to find some cause, someone we can pin it on, and something that can make it stop is because we've just been through about 80 years of unprecedented good fortune-- an era of peace and prosperity unprecedented in human history. 

Maybe we've all been enfeebled by all of this good fortune, and sunk, as it were, into a stupor of drunkenness-- from which the gods are now, slowly, painfully, awakening us.

Date: 2020-12-17 03:53 pm (UTC)
witchofthebough: A witch wields her broom defensively up in the air with her left hand and carries a lantern in her right as she travels the woods with her cats against a bright orange and royal blue sunset. (Le Lune)
From: [personal profile] witchofthebough
Thank you so much for posting Seneca's work. While I'm unsure if I'm a strict Hellenist or Neoplatonist, I find myself very influenced by their works. I commonly ponder about the excesses of fortune, and this quote has given me a lot to chew on. If we lived lifestyles that are actively in accordance with Nature and not distant from it in a home with what we now see as necessary: heating, cooling, electricity, etc., would we be less surprised when disaster strikes in Nature? Would we understand more that, at times, living is a struggle and we have to move through it versus blaming it on a figure who has become a cultural icon for things they actively have no part in?

I also wonder if we all abided by the simplicity of honesty and the understanding that we are all humans with limited capabilities, would we expect so much reality-defying action from our leaders and ourselves? Would we be able to move past their lack of leadership and be able to take right action into our own hands? Since I'm American, I can really only speak about issues of America, so I hope you don't mind (as I don't know where you're from,) but in America, I really feel like much of the identity of American culture and success is based on symbolism and the ideas of being an American versus what Americans actually do. As Americans, it seems we suffer from an excess of programming and symbolism, and a lack of honesty with ourselves that could help provide the rationality we need to see through problems and avoid scapegoats.

However, seeing as the philosophers talked about these concepts thousands of years ago, it's no wonder these issues rise with humanity as our society does. Humans have always thought very symbolically and creatively, as is shown by the variety of mythos our ancestors gave us in our culture and lore. It's not very easy to delineate as a society when symbolism is needed to propel us forward or if it's logos, as they can have varying psychological effects, and humans can be ultimately unpredictable.

Anyways, I hope you don't mind this comment! I just think it's very neat you're reviewing and posting Seneca and found myself thinking about what you posted as I scrolled DW yesterday at work. I hope you continue enjoying your reading, and I wish you luck.

Date: 2020-12-20 11:21 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] violetcabra
If I may regarding the unity of America:

I agree with the basic premise of the cultural and frankly geographic divides in the United States. Having lived all over the country: from New England to the Deep South to the not-so-deep South to the Great Basin and all up and down the west-coast, with lengthy sojourns in northern Idaho, Maine, Michigan, Florida, Missouri, Upstate New York, Indiana, Illinois and Kentucky and with an endless greyhound trip that defined my early twenties, I agree that there really are radical divisions vis-à-vis the various segments of people who live in this continental landmass.

Perhaps you are correct that what holds us together is a religious notion of 'America'. That said, we do have some common interests to some extent: I think that we all benefit from the fact that hostile foreign governments don't outright own the territory of California. I feel, to bring it back to the Seneca quote, that as a nation we've had too much good fortune. We forget that even mighty nations can fall, and fall to the mercy of hostile foreign powers, and that "divide and conquer" still works as a viable strategy.

I may dislike the culture of California --- both southern and northern --- but I prefer the culture of California to the culture of Imperialists of any foreign nation. The cold, factual military interests that unite the various regions of the United States are, to my mind at least, profound as they are pragmatic and are too often forgotten in the stupor of ending drunkenness inculcated by the excess of good fortune the United States has had vis-à-vis other foreign nations for going on 80 years now.

Date: 2020-12-20 05:12 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] violetcabra
The idea of santosamericanos candles is great! People in Hoodoo practice burn candles to MLK, whose initials of course spell out Malkuth. I've often wondered if Abraham Lincoln, whose initials are of course AL the Name of G-d for the Sphere of Chesed, would be able to work miracles on that level...

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