That's all right. Not talking about demons so much is a great way to fight them.
The idea of the Fourth Turning is that every four generations we hit a crisis, and a new order emerges from that. The 4-generation cycle ties pretty neatly to the 84 year orbit of Uranus, though as far as I know, Strauss and Howe don't talk about that kind of thing. Meanwhile, at the boss's blog and among his commenteriat there's been talk for some time of the way that, during the 4th Turning crisis, an old elite is removed and a new one installed. So, for example, the British aristocracy was replaced with teh colonial elite during the revolution, the planter aristocracy was replaced by the capitalist class after the civil war, and the capitalists were replaced by the managerial class during and after World War II. (The latter is detailed in The Managerial Revolution, published in 1946; Christopher Lasch's Revolt of the Elite in 1996, and Christopher Caldwell's Age of Entitlement, published last year.)
My point was that a lot of us expected Trumpian populism to overthrow the Professional-Mangerial order, but it looks like, while we were distracted, a new order had been imposed upon us.
As for this:
Part of me wonders if part of the answer is analog, luddite-ish, Amish-lite, 1400-1800s-level society lived in broad daylight. There's still room for religion-based deviance from the corporate-state...
I think you might be exactly right. Were you there for the talk of the new Druid church last year? I have not abandoned that, it's just that a series of odd events intervened to bog things down, and kept intervening, until I got the idea that it was simply not quite the right time yet. I plan to revive the conversation later this year-- I think that Jupiter needs to get in a better way first.
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Date: 2021-01-20 08:09 pm (UTC)The idea of the Fourth Turning is that every four generations we hit a crisis, and a new order emerges from that. The 4-generation cycle ties pretty neatly to the 84 year orbit of Uranus, though as far as I know, Strauss and Howe don't talk about that kind of thing. Meanwhile, at the boss's blog and among his commenteriat there's been talk for some time of the way that, during the 4th Turning crisis, an old elite is removed and a new one installed. So, for example, the British aristocracy was replaced with teh colonial elite during the revolution, the planter aristocracy was replaced by the capitalist class after the civil war, and the capitalists were replaced by the managerial class during and after World War II. (The latter is detailed in The Managerial Revolution, published in 1946; Christopher Lasch's Revolt of the Elite in 1996, and Christopher Caldwell's Age of Entitlement, published last year.)
My point was that a lot of us expected Trumpian populism to overthrow the Professional-Mangerial order, but it looks like, while we were distracted, a new order had been imposed upon us.
As for this:
I think you might be exactly right. Were you there for the talk of the new Druid church last year? I have not abandoned that, it's just that a series of odd events intervened to bog things down, and kept intervening, until I got the idea that it was simply not quite the right time yet. I plan to revive the conversation later this year-- I think that Jupiter needs to get in a better way first.
What specific things were you thinking of?